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Number 134, Monday 9 November 1998 Today's Topics: Innocence Mission Gabriel Ennui Re: Lanois involvement Re: ACADIE Digest, Number 132 new U2 album Lanois and Victoria Williams Artists selling out or reaching out? Need Someone to Love/Sinead Lohan/Malcolm Burn Response to some postings acadie newsletter posting Re: ACADIE Digest, Number 133 Malcolm Burn webpage Greg Dulli, Afghan Comedian Daniel & discussion group re: U2 Rumor Bill Dillon teatro studio Re: ACADIE Digest, Number 133 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] POSTS: Please send all posts to lanois@sfbayconcerts.com ADMINISTRATION: Please send all administrative stuff to kenley@sfbayconcerts.com WWW: http://www.sfbayconcerts.com/lanois/home.html [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 06:03:43 -0800 From: Eleven Shadows elevenshadows@theeleventhhour.com Subject: Innocence Mission Although all the Innocence Mission albums are good, I have a particular affinity for "Glow", which has absolutely gorgeous guitars all the way through it. My guess is that DL fans would really like this. And like some of you others, I also saw them with Emmylou Harris (at the Troubadour in LA). Ken/Eleven Shadows ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eleven Shadows * ES songs on Real Audio * Music Reviews * Travels: Peru-Ladakh-Kashmir-India-HK * Tibet * Real Audio Radio Shows http://www.theeleventhhour.com/elevenshadows ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: "Brett Johnson" kbj@mindspring.com Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:41:25 +0000 Subject: Gabriel Ennui > From: natstar@sympatico.ca > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:11:06 -0500 > Subject: Gabriel's "That'll be all" soundtrack song > > Perhaps this is not the place to express the above-noted, however, I'm > going for it. > > Last evening, whilst driving home, Mr. Gabriel's sountrack song for > "Babe - Pig in the City" aired on the radio. "Has Peter gone mad?", This must be a real royalty generator, Bowie is a master at this sort of stuff - he sticks a song on some obscure video tape and then get thousands in royalties from the video rentals, etc.... As for Peter Gabriel, I'd guess that there are varying degrees of this sort of "fan dissappointment". Especially from the long-term Peter Gabriel Fan. It seems Gabriel does not believe the progressive rock fan is part of his audience anymore? Now, he seems more "hit oriented" (and anyone can understand the benefits of some self promotion.) But the larger picture is: where's he going? My current position towards his music is skeptical. He's capable of creating such forceful characters and images, maybe this new thing "Up" will be more of a departure? As for Lanois, I was a bit concerned about him possibly teaming up with Jewel ( if that was true). Brett [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: redclay@sympatico.ca Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 23:27:56 +0000 Subject: Re: Lanois involvement I'm not crazy about Lanois personally contributing to this discussion group. I rather like the idea of keeping this place focused more on the work itself than the artist who created it. He would be a filter into his music that I just don't need (I think), and I can't say why, exactly. His work speaks for itself. And yet there is naked hypocrisy in that statement, because I tend to consume information on Lanois where I find it. The recording/engineering crowd have a point about wanting to talk tech with Daniel. Not a bad idea at all. Beyond that, I think Daniel should be putting some thought to applying his creativity to the online medium, as an extension of his studio, as a real-time archive of sounds that can be shared and so on....as...I don't know what. If Brian Eno can write the ambient keyboard ditty to launch Windows 95 on startup, I wonder what Daniel could do in bringing his music and production mind to an online project. Like scoring some kind of "experience" online. Daniel has scored films, but another frontier for "manipulating" sound and making music will inevitably be "virtual space." Any ideas? Larry G. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 01:20:22 -0600 (CST) From: Andrew Harbut aharbut@loyno.edu Subject: Re: ACADIE Digest, Number 132 Okay, all this talk of Kingsway studios has got me wundering..is it stll here (in New Olreans) was it one of those temporary studio things like the theatre for the W.N. album? Thanks andy [As far as I know, it's still there; as is the theatre where the W.N. CD was recorded. -- Kenley] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: "Jace Everett" jace@fastlane.net Subject: Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 04:46:19 -0600 Sorry... one more response about the "five day recording". Willie has more records than most people own. Recording an album in five days is cool to me because it caught Willie and Dan that week... next week they might do something completely unrelated. Personally I like that. I would hate to have one recording define my creativity for all posterity... Remember it's just a damn record after all! ================== Jace Everett Nameless Productions jace@fastlane.net ================== [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: "Jace Everett" jace@fastlane.net Subject: Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 04:40:45 -0600 In reference to all the negative remarks related to the "Teatro" record I would like to make a long and arrogant statement! The job of a producer is to illicit the best performance possible from an artist and "his" ensemble. Teatro is one of the best things Willie has done since "the Red-Headed Stranger" (1974). Those of you who don't enjoy Willies work from the past are probably missing a good portion of Lanois' appeal. They are both "folk" artists, taking traditional melodies and narratives and putting a fresh spin on them. Those of you who expect every Lanois production to sound like a Lanois solo record don't understand the role he plays as producer. Point in fact, in recording circles Lanois is somewhat criticized for being too stylized and pushing artists in to his sound as opposed to discovering their own. Frankly, I love his sound so much it's not an issue for me, but to not hear the overt presence of Lanois on "Teatro" is simply myopic and ignorant. No Willie Nelson record sounds anything close to this and Willie has released over 100 albums! The only artists to truly come out as their own under Lanois tutelage are; Gabriel, U2, and the Neville Bros. Lanois and Willie have done something truly unique. They made a record the way you're supposed to... live, now, and fresh. If you don't like Willie... fine. Denigrating a true "rock-n roll" record like Teatro is, however, uneducated and snobbish. If any of you have recorded music you know what I'm talking about! This is true Lanois and true Willie; of the moment and passionate. ================== Jace Everett Nameless Productions jace@fastlane.net ================== [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: "cam mackellar" cam_mackellar@hotmail.com Subject: new u2 album Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 03:57:26 PST just a quick note: U2's The Edge confirmed in an interview with the American College Radio Journal, that Lanios and Eno will be producing the bands next album. No dates as yet. Apparently the band will be writing songs in a rehearsal setting as 'a band'. Edge added that he felt that their Eno/Lanios produced albums had been their most creative. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 11:24:02 -0500 From: Sue nancy.bethune@sympatico.ca Subject: Lanois and Victoria Williams Hi! - just wondering if anyone "out there" has heard of Victoria Williams? There's a song called "Psalm" on her CD titled "Loose" that sounds exactly like a Lanois production. If anyone has that CD give it a listen and let me know what you think. I believe a Williams-Lanois team would make an amazing collection of recordings. For those of you who don't know who she is....she's from Georgia (I think) and has an eclectic mix of folk/rock/blues sound about her. If you can get past her slightly strange high-pitched voice she's well worth checking out - especially live. I'd say her best are "Loose" and "Musings of a Creek-Dipper". I really hope that Lanois will produce some of her work because I think the match would be excellent. -Sue [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: TIMOTHY A EDWARDS tae@library.ucla.edu Subject: Artists selling out or reaching out? Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 14:24:19 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) > Last evening, whilst driving home, Mr. Gabriel's sountrack song for > "Babe - Pig in the City" aired on the radio. "Has Peter gone mad?", > rushed through my mind over and over again. How could he sell himself > out to the mass marketing abyss? It's not like he needs the money. Do we know that he doesn't need the money? Maybe he doesn't personally need the money, but perhaps it will finance some project or other musicians projects. > It's not as though he's not reaching people with his own transcending > music. How discerning it was to hear him participate in geriatric music > for the homogenized populace with the way-over-the-top 300 piece backing > orchestra. Sure the lyrics had a good message but his soul did not come > through - What the hell!! Every soundtrack he's contributed to in the > past definitely had his signature - but now - he might as well do a trio > with Elton and Celine for the Prince of Darkness - Disney. Well, he hasn't done anything with Elton or Celine. I've yet to hear it, but you say the lyrics have a good message- I think it's admirable to include children in your audience (and wise since many parents of young kids probably grew up as PG fans). Personally, if my kids want a soundtrack blaring in the house, I'd rather hear PG than Elton or Celine! Additionally, my kids are a bit young for the Last Temptation soundtrack! By the way, what were you doing listening to a station that plays "geriatric music for the homogenized populace" anyway (just kidding)? > My concern is the "selling out" process that all too often seeps into > these incredible artists' souls. I do hope that Mr. Lanois never, ever > reaches this tragic state and that he will resist any influence to do so > by his peers. Peter ought to be spanked - what a bad boy! Ummm... Big time? Sledgehammer? These are great, fun tunes - but I wouldn't actually call them non-commercial (not saying that he sold out then either, but it's not as if he hasn't reached the masses beyond his core fans before). BTW, Lanois produced some of those PG "hits"- does that mean that he sold out? Sledgehammer is not exactly moody and disturbing is it? Well, maybe disturbing... ;P > Thanks - I feel better now. > n. Me too. Not a flame... just some thoughts for us to consider. --t [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Jmiechels@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 21:49:23 EST Subject: Need Someone To Love/Sinead Lohan/Malcolm Burn On "Rocky World", there are snippets of a song called "Need Somone To Love". I wrote to the company with the publishing rights three years ago to find out more info about the song but they haven't responded yet. I think I get the message. But I would be very interested to know whether anyone has come across a recording of it. I thought it was such a strong song, I was surprised it wasn't included on Wynona, although perhaps it will be on the next album. With regard to Malcolm Burn, I have heard some of his production efforts like Lisa Germano's "Geek Girl" (not great) and Midnight Oil's "Breathe" (strongly recommended) and was wondering whether his production style on Sinead Lohan's latest album is sufficiently Lanois-esque to merit a listen. Are there any other Lanois-esque albums that Burn has produced recently. Burn put out an album, "After Dinner Mints" with his own group, Pregnant, but I believe it was a Canada-only release. I haven't been able to find an import copy in New York. Has anyone else been able to find it? In case you're interested, there is a brief artilce about his solo album at the following address: http://www.cmtcanada.com/JamMusicArtistsP/pregnant.html - JP Miechels [I'm listening to the Lohan CD quite a bit lately and enjoy the music a great deal. -- Kenley] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 21:05:10 -0700 From: Shu-Shu Loh sloh@gte.net Subject: Response to some postings... (1) In response to the post concerning DL and Farm Aid, it reminds me of a story that Steve Earle likes to tell. Steve Earle and the Dukes played at the '96? 97? Lollopoloza as a mystery guest and they got totally bombarded by plastic water bottles. Of course, Earle snaps back at the audience and says "Is that all you got to throw? We usually get hit by beer bottles!" The Lollopoloza crowd couldn't understand Earle's music but supposedly a few started to sway a bit towards the end. Moral of the story: Wrong audience, lack of appreciation. (Or, a sense of humor will get you through anything!) (2) Peter Gabriel and Babe. I haven't heard the song yet but all have been forewarned, DL has appeared in Entertainment Weekly several times this year, by mentions, or even with a picture! (gasp!) He's being written about with much respect but hey, if Entertainment Weekly is about pop culture, how much longer will our guy become as popular as Ally McBeal? Is it really Peter Gabriel's fault that he's popular? And again, I haven't heard the song yet, but at least it's a song for Babe! I love Babe. Not because he's popular but because he's cool! So my point is, it could have been worse than "Babe"--he could have used a song for a telephone company or something. ;-) (3) So my neighborhood Pennylane guy tells me that there's supposedly a D.L. something piece out there that's sung in all French or Quebecois. I said to the guy, "oh, you mean Acadie," and he says "Nooooooooooo, it's for a soundtrack or something." Since I don't know the guy and a customer came and interrupted our conversation, I was too chicken to ask him about making me a tape. Has anyone heard of this before? [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 12:26:34 -0800 From: "Christopher Findlay" cfindlay@eeicom.com Subject: acadie newsletter posting hi gang, christi and i got married, changed jobs, and lotsa other stuff over the past month, so we've been out of the lanois loop. first things first: roland in switzerland! send me your mailing address so i can get the sessions gig to you. i haven't forgotten you, just too much on my plate. anybody else whom i have neglected to get the sessions gig too -- mea culpa, although i think i got nearly all of you. contact me again at either cfindlay@eeicom.com or cdefindlay@aol.com and i will move this project forward. second things second, what's up with the weiland/lanois band? any updates i've missed? third things third: bought everything lanois ever produced for the 20 hour drive to where we got married (10 there and 10 back). all i gotta say is what you all already know: holy shit! what a seriously talented guy! personal fave = neville bros, although wrecking ball's certainly up there. christi hates the dylan album, but she's in her early 20s and has no sociological frame of reference. (i just said that to piss her off.) i like the dylan album very much indeed. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Karwah@aol.com Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 14:42:43 EST Subject: Re: ACADIE Digest, Number 133 Well there's always a thing where you can have a question and answer session with Daniel. Invite him to come into our little world and ask him questions. What's the worst that can happen? He says no? Just try it. I'm sure if you post it up on certain websites, he'll find it at some point. Anyway. has anybody heard the new Willie Nelson album? I'm anxious to hear how it sounds. I haven't had a chance to see what it's all about. Please respond someone. Martin [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Jmiechels@aol.com Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:57:49 EST Subject: Malcolm Burn Webpage For an almost-definitive list (it doesn't mention "After Dinner Mints" by Burn's group, Pregnant) of Malcolm Burn's production, engineering, mixing and solo work, check out the following webpage: http://www.worldsend.com/bios/burn.html [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 20:39:31 -0600 From: Jim Javenkoski pastaman@uiuc.edu Subject: Greg Dulli, Afghan Comedian Greetings, Are there any AFGHAN WHIGS fans out there? If so, perhaps you may have a clue about what Greg Dulli, the WHIGS' vocalist is on about, according to one of the band's fans. Below is an excerpt from the end of the band biography on this page: http://www.theafghanwhigs.com/bio.html "...New Orleans was a good idea for the Whigs. It got them away together in a new place and helped them focus on the task at hand - making great music together. [Whigs' bassist] Curley said that being in The Big Easy eliminated a lot of distractions for the band but, he adds, "you have a lot of new distractions to worry about down there." Indeed, they did get a little nuts down south. The combination of living in the French Quarter, hanging out and jamming with some great musicians, and the city's legendary reputation and vibe made it the perfect locale to get it together and create. The Whigs' hard-earned penchant for landing on their feet after troubled times returned. They definitely had the gris-gris, which is always a good thing to have when you're fixin' to welcome some insanity into the proceedings on the bayou. Indeed, it got so crazy that even [Whigs' guitarist] Rick McCollum (who is the nicest and most mild-mannered guy I know) got thrown in the 'Nawlins pokey on the last night of Mardi Gras. Curley dutifully bailed him out. Dulli was M.I.A. for a few days near the end of the sessions. He mysteriously returned with a strange instrumental called "The Vampire Lanois" which puts a rap on things (in an economical 41:32, I might add). I asked Greg what this title meant, and he was very hesitant to discuss this. I did manage to get out of him that the song's inspiration was 3000 years old and slept in a casket covered by dirt from his homeland of Acadie. I wanted to know more, but Greg stopped me, fearing certain preternatural events that could take place if he continued to discuss it. If this sounds like it was written by a fan, o.k. then, because it was. Play this motherfucker and tell everyone you know about it. Dan Reed Louisville, KY., USA Summer 1998" The new WHIGS release, *1965* was recorded in N'Orleans earlier this year. During his stay in The Big Easy, perhaps Dulli heard many sing the praises of Lanois and he felt compelled to offer his own sardonic statement about our man. The Dracula metaphor is pretty funny, methinks. ;) Jim Javenkoski pastaman@uiuc.edu [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: "Genevieve Guay" geneguay@hotmail.com Subject: Daniel & discussion group Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 09:01:34 PST Hello! Kenley asked us a couple of weeks ago if we would like to see Daniel participate in our group. Well... I would personnally be delighted to read what he has to say on different subjects. After all, he IS the reason we all subscribed on this group! To know that he is directly involded in one way or the other in Acadie discussion group would definitely upgrade it to a higher level of interest. It would be like having a hamburger with hot peppers in it! To Kenley: I can't wait to hear what's going to happen with this wonderful idea! Keep up the good work! Geneviève Guay Québec City ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: kurt.w.martin@ac.com Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:26:09 -0600 Subject: Re: U2 Rumor Greetings all. I also heard recently (MTV or somewhere) that Bono and the boys recently had a meeting in Dublin with Daniel to discuss working together on their next album. The speculation was that they wanted to get back to their pre-"Pop" sound based on the less than sensational consumer response to that album. Of course, I would love to see this happen, but when is The Man going to get around to another solo album? As much as I love U2, I almost wish Dan would disconnect his phone to ward off all these offers and finish his allegedly in-progress album. Also, I caught Dan and Willie on FarmAid last month. I thought the set was outstanding and Dan's solo during "The Maker" was just fantastic. And I disagree with the person who said that the crowd response was poor. Although they weren't going mad (as they probably did for John Cougar Smith Jones Mellencamp), I got a sense it was more due to respect and awe of Willie than disinterest. But that's just my opinion. martin [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: "Wierzbicki" wiebor@kki.net.pl Subject: Bill Dillon Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 13:23:41 +0100 Hi! Jesse jesse@newparkent.com in 131st and Klaus cm.km@t-online.de in 132 have asked about Bill Dillon. You will find a lot of BILL DILLON on Martin Page record "In The House Of Stone And Light" [Polygram 1994]. Bill Dillon plays guitar, acoustic guitar, mandolin, guitorgan or rubber bass in all of 10 songs. In one track he's credited with something called "crying guitar" and he really weeps with his guitar there. There is also Phil Collins, Robbie Robertson, Brenda Russel, Bernie Taupin, Geoffrey Oryema and many more artists on this record. Track "Monkey In My Dreams" is just like "Shock The Monkey" by Peter G. I've seen some criticism relating to "Teatro" in our newspaper. It's easy to be irritated for the idol, when he doesn't fulfil our wishes.But he has right to realize his own wishes... and that's what Teatro is for DL, I think. For me this record has wonderful flavour and is one of the best records of this year... considering it as record produced by DL or not. Mr Lanois participation in our group? Welcome! I'd just like him to know, that he's really got a friend in Poland. Best wishes to all of You! Thanks a lot, Kenley! Lukasz Wierzbicki -- Wyslano za posrednictwem bezplatnego serwera KKI Krakowski Komercyjny Internet - http://www.kki.net.pl To jest miejsce na reklame Twojej firmy! [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Duhmook@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 00:28:19 EST Subject: teatro studio greetings! love the dl page thenew MIX mag has a Great interview with mark howard and has beautiful pix of teatro ive died & gone to heaven !!!!!!just wanted to let you know ( i get the mag early!) i didnt want to post on the main page yourz jr [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Baraklurie@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:23:52 EST Subject: Re: ACADIE Digest, Number 133 Dear Cars: You know, I saw the DVD at a video store, and I'm afraid that it's a combination DVD of a lot of different performances on the West 54 sessions, only one or two of which is Lanois/Harris. I don't know if it's worth it. Fortunately, these days you can rent DVD's. So maybe you can check it out that way. In a message dated 11/1/98 4:57:18 PM, you wrote: ckroon@tiee.pvt.k12.ca.us [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] The views expressed in ACADIE are those of the individual authors only. ACADIE is released for the personal use of readers. No commercial use may be made of the material unless permission is granted by the author. Kenley Neufeld, ACADIE editor http://www.sfbayconcerts.com/kenley.html kenley@sfbayconcerts.com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
